we are on mas100-2016 advanced, sp2, in excel the odbc tables show up. I have tried all types of odbc connections in visual studio 2013 and there is nothing listed under the tables so there is no way to write queries and such, can someone please explain how to fix this. i have attached to access with no problem and the odbc woorks in excel and in crystal and I am using admin rights for the connection, thank you, Tj